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@Dan, thanks, all good suggestions, i may just go with a blurry reflection cubemap for the woods instead of the sharp one, i was playing around with taking reflectionmaps of inside of the room near the reflective objects, it worked pretty well on the curved objects, and a bit unconvincingly on the flat objects. Its a real pain to blur out cubemaps effectively, and trivially easy to make sharp ones, so its a bit of a tossup as to what to build in there. another option is to build a custom shader with a bit more fresnel effect (Like the glass reflection). we'll see, if i get more time to play with it! @vakis: yes it was done with unity Pro, though its not using much of the pro features, i'm using one of the bloom shaders and a curves post process shader, which are pro only features, otherwise it was just the Beast Lightmapping, which while easier, can be worked around fairly easily by baking scenes in 3dsmax or elsewhere. pretty basic scene ;)