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Thanks Charris, Yep. Some normals on the fillet are flipped and backface culling is making a nice long hole in the legs. Not sure how that happened, fixed now. Thanks! I know we've all gotten used to Vray dominating the Arch viz industry but seriously MR works great, it's much easier to work with then it used to be since the addition of A&D materials, also the multi-Pass linear 32-bit work flow is reliable. GI&FG do a decent job and now there's Iray if you have a beefy GPU. I figure MR deserves a little love now and then. I'll document my workflow as soon as I can, but realy most of what I know I learned for Jeff Patton, Master Zap and Ramy Hanna. Those guys have been a huge help to MR users.